conversation to which Chambers had testified.
I answered by saying, âIf Chambersâ credibility on the question of whether he knew you or not is destroyed, obviously you can see that this statement that he had a conversation with you and that you were a member of the Communist Party, which was made on the basis of this knowledge, would also be destroyed. And that is exactly the basis upon which this questioning is being conducted. If we prove that he is a perjurer on the basis of his testimony now, the necessity of going into the rest of the matter will be obviated.â
After a few more questions, I asked Chairman J. Parnell Thomas to declare a recess so that Hiss could phone his wife, Priscilla, and make arrangements for her to appear before the Committee.
Five minutes later, when Hiss returned to the Committee room, he was ready to talk. He said: âThe name of the man I brought inâand he may have no relation to this whole nightmareâis a man named George Crosley. I met him when I was working for the Nye Committee. He was a writer. He hoped to sell articles to magazines about the munitions industry.â
This man Crosley, he went on, had sublet his apartment on Twenty-eighth Street and had moved in with his wife and âone little baby.â âMy recollection is that he spent several nights in my house because his furniture van was delayed. The apartment wasnât very expensive and I think I let him have it at exact cost.â
âHis wife and he and little baby did spend several nights in the house with you?â
âThis man Crosley, yes,â Hiss replied.
âCan you describe his wife?â I asked.
âYes, he answered. âShe was a rather strikingly dark person. Very strikingly dark.â
I was the only one in the room to whom that answer was significant. I had seen Esther Chambers and I knew that she was indeed strikingly dark.
Hiss insisted, however, that he could not say that Crosley and Chambers were one and the same person. He described Crosley as a âdead-beatâ who stayed in the apartment during the summer months of 1935 and never paid any rent.
âWhat kind of automobile did that fellow have?â Stripling asked.
âNo kind of automobile,â Hiss replied. âI sold him an automobile. I had an old Ford that I threw in with the apartment, that I had been trying to trade in and get rid of. A slightly collegiate model. It wasnât very fancy, but it had a sassy little trunk on the back.â
âYou sold him that car?â I asked.
âI threw it in,â Hiss replied. âHe wanted a way to get around and I said, âFine. I want to get rid of it. I have another car. We kept it for sentimental reasonsânot worth a damn.â I let him have it along with the rent.â
âYou gave this car to Crosley?â I asked.
âI threw it in along with the apartmentâcharged the rent and threw the car in at the same time,â Hiss replied.
âIn other words, added a little to the rent to cover the car?â
âNo, I think I charged him exactly what I was paying for the rent and threw the car in in addition. I donât think I got any compensation.â
From there I went on with the other questions which I had asked Chambers. In virtually every detail, Hissâs answers matched those of Chambers. He had a brown cocker spaniel which he boarded at a kennel near Rock Creek Park when he went on vacation to the eastern shore of Maryland. He used to fetch water from the Druid Hills spring as a boy of twelve to sell in Baltimore.
âWhat hobby, if any, do you have, Mr. Hiss?â I asked.
âTennis and amateur ornithology,â he replied.
âDid you ever see a prothonotary warbler?â McDowell asked.
âI have, right here on the Potomac. Do you know that place?â Hiss replied. â . . . They come back and nest in those swamps. Beautiful yellow head. A gorgeous
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