everyone said, so on. Thenâ
N.S.: Yeah, well you know some people just canât keep their mouths shut. We could have managed everything fineâ
J.J.L.: I was saying, Laura begins frankly, then suddenly thereâs a point she sort of closes down. Suddenly thereâs a funny sentence, like âFollowing this conversation, I proceeded to the studio to see the damage.â Something of the sort. Conveys the impression she suddenly went impersonal and doesnât wish to commit herself to what really went on.
N.S.: Why should she? Youâve got to stick together, people will lie themselves blind. Look, Iâve got no kicks against Laura Ashworthâ
J.J.L.: Excuse me but you do sound prejudiced.
N.S.: Iâm not against anyone in this world. Iâve managed football teams in my time, live and let live I say. She was a good girl and nice-looking too, even if she did kind of stir things up. She kept them occupied, the Bang-Bang I mean. But the things she did, Iâm no toffee-nose, right, but she wouldnât want to tell it, spell it all out, couldnât expect her to. We knew what was going on, but you wouldnât want me to say it either, not over TV, a family show, we all knew about it, I know the way things are. Everyone says they were musical geniuses, so what if they were kooky as well, letâs leave it at that. Itâs all over now, isnât it?
J.J.L.: Then perhaps we might talk about the drugs aspect, and the Japanese stun gun.
N.S.: Okay, we had a violence problem. Barry was the dangerous one. Tom was quiet enough. You know what I mean. So we had to calm him down, Barry. The stun gunâs harmless. There isnât a strait-jacket made that would fit Siamese twins, so we gave him sweet dreams instead.
J.J.L.: My understanding is that the stun gun is a development of the EEG, the electro-encephalograph, capable of switching the brainâs activity from about ten cycles to one cycle per second, thus thrusting the victim into deep sleep. Itâs an illegal instrument in the West.
N.S.: About that ⦠It never hurt him. See, if you injected Barry with something to lay him out, theyâd both be out cold because their blood circulation circulated between them, see what I mean. We had to do something before he bust up the joint, what do you expect us to do? You know what Laura called me? An uncouth something. But I was the guy who got in close. Twice I had a black eye. He laid me out cold. He was possessed when he took off that Barry, real bonkers. He laid me out cold. She got some sort of a hold over them, okay, I let her borrow the gun occasionally â she put him out cold with it when it suited her purpose.
J.J.L.: An emotional hold over them?
N.S.: You know what I mean. Sex. That was all she was after. Put Barry out cold, have it off with Tom.
J.J.L.: And on the occasion when Barry regained consciousness while that was happening, there was presumably another row until she accommodated him as well?
N.S.: Look, I donât want to stir things up. Let sleeping dogs lie. Your guess is as good as mine.
J.J.L.: But you are making certain imputations against Laura Ashworth. It couldnât be, Nick, that this is prejudice speaking and that she was not guilty of such behaviour? There are rumours that in Dervishâs day Laura was the victim of a mass-rape in which your name was involved. She hardly sounds the Lady Dracula type to me.
N.S.: Look, I donât want to ⦠Look, whoâs stirring things ⦠I said she was a sweet girl, dinâ I? Whatâs pastâs past, thatâs my motto, and I sâpose that Paul Dayâs been shooting off his mouth again, Jesus. It doesnât matter now, does it? Weâre talking about history. It wasnât my job to stand outside their bedroom door like a bloody sentry, was it? I didnât want to know. I was their manager, not a wet nurse, donât forget.
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