conflict of interest itâs transparent. The lit world should be so forthcoming. The lit community praises the lit community, thereâs a dearth of constructive criticism, and thereâs a fuck of a lot of praise for boring books.
DAVID: Youâre preachinâ to the choir, brother.
CALEB: We need more of Dale Peckâs
Hatchet Jobs
and Anis Shivaniâs âThe 15 Most Overrated Contemporary American Writers.â Shivani went after Jhumpa Lahiri and Junot DÃaz and Sharon Olds.
DAVID: That would be just the beginning of my critique.
CALEB: If we canât criticize, we stay in the muck, and the literary world shrinks proportionately to the culture. Who trusts or even reads positive reviews? Would you rather have a positive review read by a hundred people, or a negative review read by a thousand? You wrote about how painful negative reviews were in the past, and now you donât care. You were inferring, almost, that itâs more painful if some intimate shows disinterest.
DAVID: One of the accomplishments for me of middle age is, boy, can I shrug off criticism. It used to be, Iâd get a bad review in the
Orlando Sentinel
, and Iâd dwell on it inordinately. Now I literally donât have time. Somebody writes a six-thousand-word attack on
Reality Hunger
? Iâm thrilled the book got so deeply under his skin.
DAVID: Howâs Scott Driscoll doing?
CALEB: He read
Reality Hunger
. Heâs a very good critic. He loves fiction.
DAVID: Yeah, and?
CALEB: Heâs responsible for that opening of our interview in the
Rumpus
, when I asked, âYou began writing fiction; it turned out not to be your forte. Why the attack? Isnât that like an impotent man vowing abstinence?â
DAVID: Only about fifty other reviewers used the same trope. Iâd say Iâm more like a man in love pointing out to the man on Viagra that heâs fucking a sex doll.
CALEB: How long have you been rehearsing that one?
DAVID: Youâre a funny intersection of hippie and military.
CALEB: My dad was in Saigon for a year, and my parentswere in Asia for eight years. He has no clue about art, and sheâs creative, quasi-bohemian. She knew I smoked pot and kept it from him. My dad wonât watch movies about genocide, anything negative, anything âdepressing.â Heâs âWho cares about the Holocaust? Itâs over. Who cares?â
DAVID: Heâs anti-intellectual, but is he smart?
CALEB: After Cooper Union he got a masterâs from NYU in engineering. Heâs very organized.
DAVID: Is your mom intellectual at all?
CALEB: She used to be well-read and big into art. Completely stopped.
DAVID: What books would they be reading? She was reading something when I stopped by.
CALEB: Probably
People
magazine. Their house is a museum. Every
National Geographic
since before 1920. Four sets of encyclopedias. There are probably over five thousand books. The classics: Homer, Shakespeare, Melville. I remember being forced to listen to
Beowulf
when I was ten. My dad, though, has a huge collection of Carter Brown mysteries, Alistair MacLean spy novels, and romance novels. Heâs addicted to romance.
CALEB: In high school I just read mystery, science fiction, and sports magazines, but I did browse our books and the
Nat Geos
. Not until college and wanting to become a writer did I read. I was getting into philosophy, Christianity.
DAVID: Your book is definitely coming back to me. It deals with those three friendsâMark, Vince, and âyou.â Still seems like it could be a good book.
CALEB: Youâre misremembering a little. It was based on Mark and Vince, but I made them into one character whose dadâs dead. Both Mark and Vince lost a parent in high school. You said about it, âIâm especially impressed by the narratorâs ability to compress his meditations into startling aphorisms, and at crucial momentsâsex, love, drugs, religion, nature,
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